Episode 39 - Natasha Ramlall: Unlocking Your Authentic Self Through Dance

Today's discussion with Natasha Ramlall dove into how our passions as a child can be stifled by the pursuit of greatness, and how to reclaim the joy-filled parts of ourselves that have been lost.

Natasha's story contains so many gems of wisdom -- from overcoming embarrassment, shame, not fitting in, and not good enough to becoming a shining beacon of what's possible for others.

I hope you love today's episode as much as I do.

Natasha works with individuals who feel stuck in physical, mental or emotional suffering. She helps them get to the root of their pain and practise embodiment through her individual and group containers, so they can begin to heal.

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Transcript

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Lindsay Ford: Alright welcome to another episode of the breaking free with Lindsay. Podcast and I have Natasha Remla with me today and one of the things. Okay. 1st of all, welcome to the podcast Natasha.

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Natasha Ramlall: Thank you. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.

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Lindsay Ford: One of the things when you reached out to me that really piqued my interest. Was your relationship with dance, and how

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Lindsay Ford: you you were in dance as a child, and then stopped, as most people do. But then you were pulled back into it later in life, and it seemed to be such a calling

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Lindsay Ford: to you like something you had to do that you couldn't ignore, even though

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Lindsay Ford: from from what I could tell, maybe it defied some logic and reason. So

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Lindsay Ford: why don't you walk us through?

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Lindsay Ford: Why don't you walk us through your story?

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Natasha Ramlall: Sure. Yeah. Sounds good. Yeah. So from a very young age I just I just loved dancing. I loved music. I loved moving my body. I

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Natasha Ramlall: you know that's what I would spend my my spare time doing as a kid. I would. We had a space in the basement of my parents home, and I would just go down there, put on music and just

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Natasha Ramlall: choreograph dances and dance to my heart's content.

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Natasha Ramlall: And

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Natasha Ramlall: you know it was just

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Natasha Ramlall: everybody's got that thing, and I guess for me, that has always been at least one of them. If not the the main thing that really

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Natasha Ramlall: lit me up and and felt really

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Natasha Ramlall: embodied, and although I didn't have the language for that at the time, but it it's I knew that this was the thing that made me feel so good, and I wanted to do it all the time.

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Natasha Ramlall: And then so of course, my mom.

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Natasha Ramlall: Sign me up for dance classes.

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Natasha Ramlall: And so I started training

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Natasha Ramlall: from a pretty young age I'd say about. I think I started when I was 4 or 5.

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Natasha Ramlall: And

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Natasha Ramlall: you know, initially, it's a it's a lot of kids who are just, you know,

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Natasha Ramlall: playing around

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Natasha Ramlall: getting to know what it's like to be in a group space like that. But then, you know, the training gets a little bit more intense. One of the things I studied was ballet

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Natasha Ramlall: and at the time modern, which is now, I think, referred to as contemporary and jazz. Those were the main categories of dance back in the days when I was coming up.

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Natasha Ramlall: And

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Natasha Ramlall: yeah, it just over the the course of me training and becoming more committed to it. It just felt really really of a world that I wasn't part of

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Natasha Ramlall: so there was sort of like a a particular

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Natasha Ramlall: look, a particular size, a particular color, a particular way of moving that was correct, acceptable. And I just

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Natasha Ramlall: couldn't fit that box. And so this love of dance, this deep, deep

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Natasha Ramlall: passion from from such a young age slowly became

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Natasha Ramlall: a sense of, or an area of shame, an area of

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Natasha Ramlall: feeling, lacking, feeling, not good enough, so really

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Natasha Ramlall: really affected my self esteem, and I think it was around

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Natasha Ramlall: Around 1617, where I finally said, I, I don't want to do this anymore. And

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Natasha Ramlall: and so I, you know, turned away from that world

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Natasha Ramlall: in terms of the training and I found other ways to try and get out in the world and dance that, you know, involved clubbing and going out to bars and things like that.

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Natasha Ramlall: but I always watched from afar. I I just admire dancers like really amazing trained dancers. I've always

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Natasha Ramlall: loved the art of it.

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Natasha Ramlall: and but

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Natasha Ramlall: yeah, there's always been this small piece of discomfort that oh, this beautiful thing.

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Natasha Ramlall: It's not for me. It's not for me, because for some reason I was carrying this story, that

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Natasha Ramlall: in order to dance, you need to do it

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Natasha Ramlall: at that level, or in that particular way, or within the the confines of you know how I understood what dance meant in the world. I guess at the time.

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Natasha Ramlall: So, as I said, you know, I've always danced, but it was more like festivals. Live shows going out to the bar, going out to clubs. And then I got older, and, you know, got married and had kids, and I didn't have as many opportunities to go out and dance. So I didn't. You know, maybe just around my kitchen or something.

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Natasha Ramlall: And yeah, so fast forward it was about, I wanna say

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Natasha Ramlall: 3, 3 or 4 years ago.

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Natasha Ramlall: knew that I wanted to make a change, and I started to

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Natasha Ramlall: take some training in the field of mind, body.

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Natasha Ramlall: health, and started to venture into this this new world of

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Natasha Ramlall: embodiment and

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Natasha Ramlall: coaching and and all of these different

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Natasha Ramlall: ways of looking at health.

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Natasha Ramlall: And as I was starting to create my business.

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Natasha Ramlall: I came across something

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Natasha Ramlall: the the per and I wish I could reference who it was that said it, but it was along the lines of, If you really want to know what you're meant to do, go back and ask. 5 year old. You

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Natasha Ramlall: and I sat with the question, and I thought, you know, if I asked 5 year old me what I wanted to do without a hesitation, I would like. I want to dance, and you know, at the time I remember.

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Natasha Ramlall: my, the adults in my life must have

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Natasha Ramlall: taught me the word choreographer, because I remember when people would say, What do you want to be when you grow up? I'd say a choreographer, because obviously that was a more accessible way of entering dance than you know, a professional dancer, which is, you know.

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Natasha Ramlall: any kind of big dream that scares adults when their children say that.

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Lindsay Ford: Right.

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Natasha Ramlall: So yeah, I sat with that. And I was just like, huh.

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Natasha Ramlall: how can I bring that back into my life now? And it occurred to me that when you're creating your own business you get to make it anything you want it to be like there. There are no limitations as to how you offer, whatever it is that you're hoping to contribute to the world. And so I started

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Natasha Ramlall: researching

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Natasha Ramlall: dance, and how it

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Natasha Ramlall: how it was weaving in with some of the other things that I was doing in my business which were around

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Natasha Ramlall: mind-body health.

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Natasha Ramlall: and I realized that it was the most perfect marriage imaginable, like bringing dance

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Natasha Ramlall: and mind, body, health, and embodiment together.

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Natasha Ramlall: It was the most beautiful, the most seamless, the most perfect

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Natasha Ramlall: thing. And I thought, Yeah, let me do that

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Natasha Ramlall: and so I took the steps. You know I I did some additional training. I traveled to Slovenia for a 2 week intensive certification and and facilitating the specific kind of dance that I'm offering

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Natasha Ramlall: And then I came back and and started creating things to put out into the world, and it has been so well received that that has helped me to know that this was always something that

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Natasha Ramlall: could exist in the world in this way, and it was just a matter of me kind of waking up to the, to my role in in bringing it to my community.

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Natasha Ramlall: So it's been a really really beautiful journey.

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Natasha Ramlall: But of course.

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Natasha Ramlall: with all the ups and downs of you know, taking these leaps of faith and and risking things, and and trying something

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Natasha Ramlall: new and different and unfamiliar as I know, is a big theme of of your work in your podcast.

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Lindsay Ford: Yeah.

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Natasha Ramlall: That.

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Lindsay Ford: When you were. There's so much I want to dive into. But let's let's go back to the childhood you love dance entered the dance world

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Lindsay Ford: started training and then realized you didn't fit the mold

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Lindsay Ford: was that like external people telling you you didn't fit the mold? Or was that what you were noticing like? Do you remember how you started to form some of those beliefs, or that shame around?

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Lindsay Ford: I'm guessing like

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Lindsay Ford: but your body.

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Natasha Ramlall: Definitely, yeah.

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Lindsay Ford: Yeah.

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Natasha Ramlall: Definitely.

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Lindsay Ford: How did that start to form.

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Natasha Ramlall: I don't think that anybody was ever explicit. Nobody ever said, Hey, you're not supposed to be here.

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Natasha Ramlall: But

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Natasha Ramlall: there's just so much messaging that happens without it being voiced right.

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Natasha Ramlall: you know, seeing which

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Natasha Ramlall: of the students in my class, primarily, girls like we didn't have a lot of of boys training with us at that time. Which students were getting the praise that were getting moved forward that were getting the the attention that were

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Natasha Ramlall: you know.

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Natasha Ramlall: matching up with sort of the the picture of what a ballerina is supposed to look like.

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Natasha Ramlall: And so

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Natasha Ramlall: yeah, I think those messages.

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Natasha Ramlall: We're just sort of rumbling under the surface, and it was more just you know, like I I don't want to just make it seem as though I'm blaming

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Natasha Ramlall: the the whole dance industry. For for all of this this was definitely

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Natasha Ramlall: like, partly that that existed at the time. But it was also my own reckoning with my own issues around self esteem and not feeling worthy and and not feeling

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Natasha Ramlall: like I fit in. And that was, you know, that wasn't only in dance that that showed up in other ways as well. But because dance was just something that I loved so much. I think that's where it really

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Natasha Ramlall: it it was almost

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Natasha Ramlall: it was almost painful to to be of the world, but not be of the world.

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Natasha Ramlall: and I remember, you know, there were a few occasions where I said to my mom, Can we try a different school like I have a feeling? Maybe I would like a different place better, and and that just financially wasn't an option for us at the time or or location. I can't really remember her reasons why. But she was kind of like, you know, this is this is what you got.

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Natasha Ramlall: And so yeah, eventually, I was just like, you know what I this just doesn't feel good anymore. Like it's, it's really weighing on me and and making me feel terrible about myself. And

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Natasha Ramlall: you know, 1617 year old. We don't need more of that. So yeah, I hope that answers your question.

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Lindsay Ford: No, that's that's fine. It it's fascinating to me like how our beliefs form, and we don't often remember

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Lindsay Ford: exactly how or it's like the most subtle, subtlest thing.

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Lindsay Ford: you know. In some ways it was probably just meant to happen, because it was like your stuff to work through, and I can think of examples in my life of just seeming like moments where

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Lindsay Ford: like. They seem like such benign moments that pop into your memory. But it's like those make a big difference in.

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Lindsay Ford: I don't know if it's because, you know, you're developing. And you're still like in your

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Lindsay Ford: and like, your brain's not fully developed, and your body's not fully developed. And you're just at such a time of transition.

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Lindsay Ford: Why, those little moments are so impactful. But

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Lindsay Ford: you know, when I was, I had a previous business. Teaching positive parenting, and one of the biggest fears. That I came across among parents is just this fear of screwing up your your child.

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Lindsay Ford: And

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Lindsay Ford: I, I used to say, like.

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Lindsay Ford: you're going to screw up your. It's not a matter of it. It's just like it's gonna happen. But it's not like, it's not like you're gonna because it's just these like benign moments that happen like this like the one comment or the one situation that's interpreted a certain way. And it it impacts us. And you can't control

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Lindsay Ford: for all of that. Did you ever have any conversations with your mother at that time about why you wanted to change schools, or like what you were feeling, or that was just like not.

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Lindsay Ford: it might not have even been fully understood by you at that time.

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Natasha Ramlall: Yeah, that that's a really good question. I I really don't think that I was fully aware of all of the all of the deeper reasons

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Natasha Ramlall: that it was causing me discomfort. I knew you know, at at a surface level that I loved to like. I said when I was a kid. I was choreographing. I was making my own dances, and I was moving in my own way to my own music, and just really feeling into that, and that was part of my joy, and in my trained classes it was very, very

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Natasha Ramlall: limited, and everything had to be a particular way, and and so I

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Natasha Ramlall: I was longing for. I think, when I was asking for a different school. I was hoping that we could go somewhere where there was a little bit more freedom and a little bit more give and a little bit more creativity and exploration.

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Natasha Ramlall: So that I think I was very conscious of and I and I felt like, you know, I I knew other girls that I went to school with who were doing dance at other places, and it just looked like what they were doing was

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Natasha Ramlall: more fun than what I was doing. I don't know if that's the case. But

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Natasha Ramlall: And

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Natasha Ramlall: but the that deeper, that deeper stuff you know, around body shame issues. And just, you know, not fitting the mold in in other ways, too, it wasn't just my body, but there were other things, too. I don't think that that

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Natasha Ramlall: was really part of my awareness or my decision at the time to stop. It's been with a lot of personal growth and work. And looking back and just being like, yeah, yeah, that's that feels so obvious and clear to me now.

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Natasha Ramlall: But I

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Natasha Ramlall: wasn't really denial. It was just lack of awareness, I think at the time.

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Lindsay Ford: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I love what you just shared about

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Lindsay Ford: sort of the the structure versus unstructured or the freedom to to do what you want. And I think that's such a especially as a parent that's such a delicate line with with my own kids. Like how much freedom versus like there's there's something to be said about like discipline and training, and like improving, and all of that stuff, but also like I feel like so much in our society, in our culture, is

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Lindsay Ford: discipline achieve, do do. And that fun, freedom!

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Lindsay Ford: That space in our days to just

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Lindsay Ford: be ourselves and express ourselves like I feel like so much of that

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Lindsay Ford: is lacking because it's

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Lindsay Ford: we. It just seems like all the it's all extra curriculars, and it's all like, Go go. It's like the homework. It's just so

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Lindsay Ford: I feel I can really resonate with what you just said about like

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Lindsay Ford: the structure of it and the performance aspect that you're living to someone else's standards, even though you want to get better.

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Lindsay Ford: It's

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Lindsay Ford: it. There is an aspect that

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Lindsay Ford: when it's all. It's when it's only that

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Lindsay Ford: it really strips the fun

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Lindsay Ford: out of it, because it's

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Lindsay Ford: awesome. I don't want to be too dramatic. I was. Gonna say, it's kind of still sucking, but like.

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Natasha Ramlall: No. Yeah.

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Lindsay Ford: Happy.

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Natasha Ramlall: I I hear I hear what you're saying. A 100% and a few things come to mind as you're saying, that.

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Natasha Ramlall: The 1st thing is just that

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Natasha Ramlall: you know something that we do a lot in in my current offering of dance is building awareness around this balance of masculine feminine energy.

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Natasha Ramlall: and not meaning that in terms of female male, obviously, but that masculine energy, feminine energy that's within all humans, and how that masculine energy which is very logical and driven and and

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Natasha Ramlall: creating and training and discipline, and and making things happen, and improving yourself versus that feminine energy of allowing receiving being in your intuition, being in your truth.

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Natasha Ramlall: Giving into pleasure in a way that's nourishing and sustaining. And it's just like you said, we're just so out of balance with those 2 things. And it's not that masculine energy is bad, right? Like that's a it's a very necessary and beautiful part of being human.

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Natasha Ramlall: and so training in dance and becoming, you know, excelling at it, or or becoming better. You know, testing your your capacity for becoming a trained dancer. That's a beautiful thing, too. But like as you, as you said, we're just so out of balance with it. And we're we're socialized to prioritize and favor

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Natasha Ramlall: this doing, doing, doing, doing, doing masculine energy.

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Natasha Ramlall: And so, for you know, for most of the women who come to my dance classes were really

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Lindsay Ford: it's a really important piece. You can make money in a way that's very heart centered, but also? Not

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Lindsay Ford: I from a very young age I did competitive gymnastics. I was always just doing doing like school gymnastics, school gymnastics, and, like my life was packed tight. There wasn't space in my calendar to just play and be. And then, you know, into my adult years and career it was always just like, Do Do succeed, succeed, please. Others like like meet the standards move up the ladder like all of this.

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Lindsay Ford: like giving myself the freedom to laugh and have fun and not be in that. Do do so. I'm curious, just just out of curiosity, like.

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Natasha Ramlall: And so I've come across a lot of different women, and some of them are very far along in their embodiment journey that I've met a lot of women who it's. It's always been quite easy for them to drop into their body, and and it hasn't been as much of an issue. But the majority of the women that I encounter are very similar to me, and very similar to you. We live in our head.

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Lindsay Ford: But on, if if things were going sideways, if everyone was like melting down and like we were fighting, and all that like.

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Natasha Ramlall: that just they're like a shortcut to getting back to our humanness that helps us to center and and feel better in our body. And I love the fact that you brought up your kids because one of the things that is another central theme in in the classes that I'm offering is this idea of moving

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Natasha Ramlall: when I stopped training in the years before I came back to this offer, which was many, many, many, many years. You know. Certainly there would be moments if I was dancing at a festival or at a club where I wasn't thinking about, you know, dance like nobody's watching 100%.

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Natasha Ramlall: If you look foolish, it doesn't matter because it feels good. And that's really kind of the essence of what we're trying to get at in the classes is like

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Natasha Ramlall: that can happen. We don't have to curate our lives and carry ourselves around in a particular way in order to belong in this world.

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Lindsay Ford: So how did you move from like your mental, emotional like in terms of your mental, emotional, spiritual journey? From

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Lindsay Ford: but I'm guessing a lot would have come up for you

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Natasha Ramlall: to allow myself to believe like, who do I think I am that I can? Lead a class like

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Natasha Ramlall: and it didn't work, cause I'm not him and his gifts, and my gifts are very different.

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Natasha Ramlall: And so once I sat with that, like I was, I was using his music. I was trying to, you know, model my class after some of the classes that he had taken us through, and it just didn't work.

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Natasha Ramlall: the external validation is icing on the cake.

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Natasha Ramlall: because I know that the way I showed up today was it was meaningful, it was authentic.

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Natasha Ramlall: and and I was in service, like I was really leading from a place kind of beyond myself, like, really self sent heart centered. Sorry. And you know.

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Natasha Ramlall: and and so, yeah, now, I'm kind of like, okay, so that's my main. My main goal is to try to get to that place as often as possible in everything that I'm doing.

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Natasha Ramlall: It's a pretty grand goal, certainly not there, but but it's the intention, anyway.

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Lindsay Ford: There's that was such a powerful story of your that of that process. There's so much

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Lindsay Ford: there's so much to unpack there.

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Lindsay Ford: Right from the beginning when you were when you volunteer to be the 1st one?

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Lindsay Ford: I, I'm there's, there's a podcast episode coming out. I think it'll be after this one on that exact thing, where, if you sit too long and think about it.

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Lindsay Ford: you're never either you're never going to do it, or the fear just builds in you for no reason, and you sometimes you just have to like, shut off the thinking, and jump in and

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Lindsay Ford: it, must have been so painful and so deeply uncomfortable. I can. I can understand that.

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Lindsay Ford: how to trust yourself and not fit the mold of others! And

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Lindsay Ford: I think that's just such a powerful story to share with people, because

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Lindsay Ford: we're taught sort of to look around. What's everyone else doing to follow, like, you know best practices and what the experts tell you, and

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Lindsay Ford: that's not always the case. We can learn from those people.

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Lindsay Ford: But when we can come back to

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Lindsay Ford: yeah, I just love. I love that story so much, and then for you to put it in practice in your own class, with that experience with your 1st class.

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Lindsay Ford: that transition from external validation to an internal knowing and trusting

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Lindsay Ford: We all need to experience that more and more. And I think, even

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Lindsay Ford: It's such a helpful reminder to me, because, even like in the business that I'm in, like, in the affiliate marketing space, not so much in this podcasting space. But

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Natasha Ramlall: Yeah.

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Lindsay Ford: But also one of the things I've experienced over. I'll say the course of not just this business, my previous business. Other other aspects of my life is when I

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Lindsay Ford: take classes and learn from others and learn sort of the systems and how to use.

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Lindsay Ford: And I start to implement that

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Lindsay Ford: what I have noticed and experienced is at some point. It no longer feels like mine, and there's a disconnect, and I always have to go back

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Lindsay Ford: to like recentering, and I feel like I'm like 3 steps forward and going all the way back and like it's like this constant internal negotiation of like what I mentally like think I should be doing versus what I feel needs to happen. And sometimes what I feel needs to happen makes no logical sense.

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Lindsay Ford: or maybe it's not even balance. It's this nego internal negotiation with

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Lindsay Ford: sort of that external world of validation, and what you should be doing, and what you know, things that could help you, and then always coming back and tuning into yourself, and what is aligned to you, because

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Lindsay Ford: when you are aligned, you are in service to others. You are connecting with others. You are like pulling in that like source magic.

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Lindsay Ford: like, that's a ripple effect out to others. And you have way. Greater

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Lindsay Ford: And like you said, it just feels

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Lindsay Ford: Yeah, so beautiful.

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Lindsay Ford: Do you? Do you have anything to add before I.

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Natasha Ramlall: Well, now I have chills from what you shared.

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Natasha Ramlall: Yeah, I I the only thing I would add is that like another layer of that that I've noticed is that

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Natasha Ramlall: even with I mean, you are in service with other people so external validation. It matters a little bit because you want to know that you're meeting a need for people. And it's not just, you know. I'm just out there doing my thing, and it doesn't matter at all how people are receiving it.

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Natasha Ramlall: I I feel so energized after, or or some of the other things that that I I commonly hear which I love, and it, and it fills me up.

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Natasha Ramlall: Versus. The people who have said

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Natasha Ramlall: being around you has given me permission to step into a new version of myself.

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Natasha Ramlall: You've inspired me to be braver, and that

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Natasha Ramlall: I'm just like Oh, my goodness, I don't think

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Natasha Ramlall: Then you've inspired me to step into something

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Natasha Ramlall: Yeah, because I've watched you do it.

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Lindsay Ford: Yeah. And you like by you doing it and you taking steps forward. You are this

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Lindsay Ford: like beacon of light that shows other people that they can do it, too. And it's helping other people, not just they're in that respect. It's not just like they're benefiting from you. It's like they are becoming a better person because of you, and you are lifting them up just by

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Lindsay Ford: showing up, as you

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Lindsay Ford: exactly.

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Natasha Ramlall: Play.

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Lindsay Ford: That's pretty incredible!

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Natasha Ramlall: Exactly. And then knowing that they're gonna do the same thing for others.

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Natasha Ramlall: Yeah. And they're gonna do some the same thing for others. And it's just as you mentioned this ripple effect.

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Natasha Ramlall: And then it becomes this thing that's just so much bigger than it ever was when you 1st got started making the decision to change. And you're kind of like, okay, even if I wanted to go back

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Natasha Ramlall: to the way life was before I started this journey. I can't possibly, because I'm tapped into something that's so much bigger than me now.

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Natasha Ramlall: and I mean it. It just sounds so

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Natasha Ramlall: dramatic. But but that's really what it feels like when you, when you, when you sit with it in an honest way and say like cause, it's not easy, right like

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Natasha Ramlall: trying to get people to show up for it, trying to sustain your energy.

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Natasha Ramlall: trying to be okay with rejection, or you know something not being received. It's really hard.

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Natasha Ramlall: But why? Why do I continue to put myself through it?

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Natasha Ramlall: It's because, yeah, this thing that we're both doing? It feels bigger than me

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Lindsay Ford: Yeah, and thank you for sharing that. Because

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Lindsay Ford: I yeah, I have experienced the similar thing like, I

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Lindsay Ford: it just. There's something about when you are

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Lindsay Ford: There's something very freeing when you are willing to push through the fear or work through the fear

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Natasha Ramlall: Yeah.

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Lindsay Ford: That's beautiful.

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Lindsay Ford: Okay, I think that's a great spot to wrap up. Where can people find you? How can they work with you?

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Natasha Ramlall: So I'm really really terrible with the socials. It's not one of the areas where I have learned to shine. That's for sure. So the best way is just to jump on my website. My website has links to every possible thing. Any way that you want to work with me, and that is humanist coaching. Ca.

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Lindsay Ford: Amazing. Well, thank you so much for sharing everything you shared today.

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Lindsay Ford: I got so many nuggets of wisdom out of you, and I really really appreciate this conversation. So thank you so much.

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Natasha Ramlall: Oh, you're very welcome, and thank you so much for the opportunity. This has been really nice.